1. Adam Thyer
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Hi there

If you're reading this, you're probably one of the very first people to use GreenExecutive, so I want to wish you a very warm welcome and thank you for helping to test this platform :D

I built GreenExecutive because of my concern about the rapid and widespread destruction of the biosphere. My hope is that by bringing key professionals and experts together on the same communication platform, we will hasten the transition to a green economy. I also hope we can play a role in fostering fair and compassionate societies.

As you can see, there is hardly any content, so it would be great if you could start and/or reply to some posts in these forums. We would also welcome blog posts about topics related to environmental or social sustainability. If interested in blogging, please have a look at our Blog Guidelines before writing anything.

If you have any friends or colleagues who might be interested in becoming Beta Testers, please invite them. Everyone who joins during our Beta Testing period will receive a FREE lifetime membership!

When posting, or inviting people, please bear in mind that this platform is for professionals and experts who are involved with sustainability (environmental or social) and/or are working with technologies that can facilitate a green economy.

Finally, it would be helpful if you could test as many of the site's features as possible and report problems here.

If you have any questions, please post them in this thread.


Cheers :)
Adam Thyer, Founder at GreenExecutive
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Really loving this platform! I think it's a fantastic idea :D
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I agree with James that GreenExecutive is a fabulous idea. If we're going to save the natural environment, and do a better job of looking after people, we will need better communication and collaboration. I think that this will be a very effective platform for sharing ideas, connecting with like-minded professionals, and working together.

I will create a forum post later today. I hope that others will find the time to do likewise. We've been given access to this fabulous platform, now it's our responsibility to help make it a success by participating!
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Let us hope that the pledeges and workplans that are already started to save our environment is going to be fully implemented as we don't have another Earth or plan B. Regarding Carbon footprint the blame game has already started that we are not releasing but they are. We can not but realize the potential dangour we have already made and now is the time for practically doing something wright.
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Hi Adam, a great idea! I had a simila ridea, so thankful that you make it happen! Warmly, Daniel
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Hi Adam, this platform is a good opportunity to be connected with people interested in our biosphere. I hope can contribute with information about the Amazon region. Cheers !!!!
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Thank you Adam, congratulations and very excited to see where we can take this! ??
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Hi All

Great to be part of this and looking forward to conversation.

cheers
Henry
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I am pleased that this exists, but I am concerned that nowhere (obvious) can I find any statement about how this platform is governed, owned, what its business model is.

Too many sites set up by calling to a 'community', which are in fact a business. With the highest ideals, perhaps, but nevertheless owned by a particular few people - who - again without anything pother than the highest intent, might be persuaded to sell / take investors to 'make progress' - and lo - the 'community' now belongs to investors.

A community is *not* a community, if it does not in some sense own the forum in which it builds itself.

Further, if there is no business model, than I am concerned about its viability.

I am not making any assumptions about these matters - just saying that if we are to be talking about circular economy etc here, then this information needs to be clearly stated on the About page.

Thanks.
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HI Dil Green I think you are absolutely right on this point.

cheers
Henry
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Hi Dil Green

Fair questions. I will do my best to answer them below.

I am pleased that this exists, but I am concerned that nowhere (obvious) can I find any statement about how this platform is governed, owned,


GreenExecutive is a privately owned startup funded entirely from my personal savings.


what its business model is.


At some point, I expect that we'll begin charging businesses a subscription for access. It is my intention that people employed by non-profits, universities, or schools will continue to have free access. As will students and activists. Anyone who joins before we start charging for access will receive a free lifetime membership.

We might also accept sponsorships from organisations that have goals and values aligned with our own.


Too many sites set up by calling to a 'community', which are in fact a business. With the highest ideals, perhaps, but nevertheless owned by a particular few people -


I setup GreenExecutive because I believe we're on a trajectory that will destroy the biosphere that sustains all life on earth. I have outlined my concerns in detail in this blog post. I see no way to avoid global catastrophe unless there is dramatically better communication, collaboration, and cooperation between the people who have the knowledge, authority, and resources to totally restructure human-made systems to create a green economy. While there are various professional and government bodies, to the best of my knowledge there is no online platform dedicated to bringing these people together into the same virtual space and giving them the tools they need to communicate effectively — so I built one.

who - again without anything pother than the highest intent, might be persuaded to sell / take investors to 'make progress' - and lo - the 'community' now belongs to investors.


I honestly don't know if I will accept any outside money. Currently, I am not seeking any, but who knows what the future will bring. What I can guarantee is that I will not take money from an investor whose goal is to grow the business as fast as possible and then find an exit. If I ever do accept outside money, it will only be from a source whose primary motivation is to foster a green and fair economy. It would also have to be on the condition that I will not cede control of the organisation.

A community is *not* a community, if it does not in some sense own the forum in which it builds itself.


This is where I have to disagree with you. What makes a community is the people. I am not seeking to control what people do on this platform, other than enforcing a few rules which are designed to protect the best interests of the members and keep things focused on the goal of making human systems more environmentally and socially sustainable.

The Terms & Conditions are here, the Forum Rules are here, and the Blog Guidelines are here. Other than that, people are free to interact however they want. These rules and guidelines will remain a work in progress. If anyone puts forward a convincing case for how they can be improved, they're open to negotiation.

Further, if there is no business model, than I am concerned about its viability.


Explained above.

I am not making any assumptions about these matters - just saying that if we are to be talking about circular economy etc here, then this information needs to be clearly stated on the About page.

Thanks.


Updating the About page was actually already on the To Do List. However, there are a few other items ahead of it. You can expect to see updated information probably in a week or two.

If you have additional questions, please let me know.
Adam Thyer, Founder at GreenExecutive
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Hi Adam, this is a great idea. I look forward to getting to know the other members. These problems are not easily solved and it will take a huge collective effort, so the opportunity to learn from each other is invaluable.
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Thanks Adam. I'm looking forward to sharing ideas and learning from others. The platform is a terrific idea.

Emily
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Adam,

Thanks for this. Apologies for not responding sooner.

I understand everything you've said, and it all makes sense (subscription is a healthy model imho).

However, I disagree still about community. The model of social atomisation which late capitalism promotes (unsatisfied individuals self medicate by buying stuff) has systemically repositioned community as not being about self-ownership - under this system nothing but a corporation or a state is supposed to own any value productive capacity.

A community is not a viable community if it has no ownership or control over the forum within which it finds its expression - it is a puppet of those who have the control and ownership - however well intentioned they may be.

I understand that at the outset you need to have control - you have a vision and it needs to be clearly guided by you - I welcome and honour this and am grateful for your effort and initiative (and your investment, which should obviously eventually be repaid with interest).

But I consider that this control - and your effectiveness - is weakened by your structure and thinking about what community is. You will get less help and less engagement without a welcoming inclusive structure. Governance/legal structures that would both strengthen your capacity to direct and grow this idea while simultaneously giving confidence to participants that this is their community are simple and easy to implement.

We at Open Credit Network have done lots of work around this area - we're a mutual, 1 member 1 vote, but need even more clear and certain direction as an economic platform. Our Members' Agreement sets up a core team with all the management rights - and we joined first and elected ourselves as the core team - we have a year before anyone can vote us out, and if we are doing what we set out to do I doubt anyone will want to do the unpaid work. This is not what I'd recommend for you - just using it as an example of how things can be arranged.

Happy to say more about this / work with you and others on this - the point, really, is the commitment to the meaning of community, rather than any immediate change.

Regards,

Dil



Hi Dil Green

Fair questions. I will do my best to answer them below.

I am pleased that this exists, but I am concerned that nowhere (obvious) can I find any statement about how this platform is governed, owned,


GreenExecutive is a privately owned startup funded entirely from my personal savings.


what its business model is.


At some point, I expect that we'll begin charging businesses a subscription for access. It is my intention that people employed by non-profits, universities, or schools will continue to have free access. As will students and activists. Anyone who joins before we start charging for access will receive a free lifetime membership.

We might also accept sponsorships from organisations that have goals and values aligned with our own.


Too many sites set up by calling to a 'community', which are in fact a business. With the highest ideals, perhaps, but nevertheless owned by a particular few people -


I setup GreenExecutive because I believe we're on a trajectory that will destroy the biosphere that sustains all life on earth. I have outlined my concerns in detail in this blog post. I see no way to avoid global catastrophe unless there is dramatically better communication, collaboration, and cooperation between the people who have the knowledge, authority, and resources to totally restructure human-made systems to create a green economy. While there are various professional and government bodies, to the best of my knowledge there is no online platform dedicated to bringing these people together into the same virtual space and giving them the tools they need to communicate effectively — so I built one.

who - again without anything pother than the highest intent, might be persuaded to sell / take investors to 'make progress' - and lo - the 'community' now belongs to investors.


I honestly don't know if I will accept any outside money. Currently, I am not seeking any, but who knows what the future will bring. What I can guarantee is that I will not take money from an investor whose goal is to grow the business as fast as possible and then find an exit. If I ever do accept outside money, it will only be from a source whose primary motivation is to foster a green and fair economy. It would also have to be on the condition that I will not cede control of the organisation.

A community is *not* a community, if it does not in some sense own the forum in which it builds itself.


This is where I have to disagree with you. What makes a community is the people. I am not seeking to control what people do on this platform, other than enforcing a few rules which are designed to protect the best interests of the members and keep things focused on the goal of making human systems more environmentally and socially sustainable.

The Terms & Conditions are here, the Forum Rules are here, and the Blog Guidelines are here. Other than that, people are free to interact however they want. These rules and guidelines will remain a work in progress. If anyone puts forward a convincing case for how they can be improved, they're open to negotiation.

Further, if there is no business model, than I am concerned about its viability.


Explained above.

I am not making any assumptions about these matters - just saying that if we are to be talking about circular economy etc here, then this information needs to be clearly stated on the About page.

Thanks.


Updating the About page was actually already on the To Do List. However, there are a few other items ahead of it. You can expect to see updated information probably in a week or two.

If you have additional questions, please let me know.

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Hi Dil Green

Other than the Wikimedia projects, I can't think of any prominent online communities governed in the way that you're proposing. They're all privately owned. I'm not saying they don't exist, my point is that they're not the norm.

If you object to private ownership, that's your prerogative. However, please don't try to impose your ideological beliefs on me, or other members of this community. My view is that there are usually many valid ways to achieve an objective, and we need to be respectful and supportive of all people who are working to achieve sustainable outcomes, regardless of whether they're using the framework that you think is best. Let's be pragmatic, not dogmatic!

Furthermore, your proposal is impractical for GreenExecutive. I am trying to achieve goals that are opposed by powerful vested interests. Under your model, anyone who wants to sabotage the project could create large numbers of accounts and thereby seize control of the project. Furthermore, the people who will eventually be paying for access will be joining as employees of businesses, so their companies would potentially be able control the direction of GreenExecutive. Or maybe a group of Marxists, or other ideologues, will use the strategy described above to take over the site, thereby alienating everyone who does not agree with their ideology. Do these sound like desirable outcomes to you?

Please note that this is the first ever post on GreenExecutive. It's purpose was to welcome new members to the site and explain what they could do to contribute to the community. I really do not want to turn this thread into a debate about the merits of private verses collective ownership. Don't get me wrong. I understand the arguments and believe that in many situations, state or collective ownership is the best approach. However, I do not think that it is a practical path for GreenExecutive at this time and I hope that you can respect that decision.
Adam Thyer, Founder at GreenExecutive
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Thank you for allowing me to help 'test' the site. I'm hoping to add greater emphasis to the social aspects of sustainability since people are the ones that really drive ESG/CSR initiatives. This is especially the case now that we have COVID-19 and a commodity crisis impacting us all.
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Hi Adam,

As I said previously, i honour and respect your efforts here.

I have no wish to argue. I've set out my points and you have answered at length and with care - thank you.

Good luck, best wishes, and more power to your elbow.

Dil

Hi Dil Green

Other than the Wikimedia projects, I can't think of any prominent online communities governed in the way that you're proposing. They're all privately owned. I'm not saying they don't exist, my point is that they're not the norm.

If you object to private ownership, that's your prerogative. However, please don't try to impose your ideological beliefs on me, or other members of this community. My view is that there are usually many valid ways to achieve an objective, and we need to be respectful and supportive of all people who are working to achieve sustainable outcomes, regardless of whether they're using the framework that you think is best. Let's be pragmatic, not dogmatic!

Furthermore, your proposal is impractical for GreenExecutive. I am trying to achieve goals that are opposed by powerful vested interests. Under your model, anyone who wants to sabotage the project could create large numbers of accounts and thereby seize control of the project. Furthermore, the people who will eventually be paying for access will be joining as employees of businesses, so their companies would potentially be able control the direction of GreenExecutive. Or maybe a group of Marxists, or other ideologues, will use the strategy described above to take over the site, thereby alienating everyone who does not agree with their ideology. Do these sound like desirable outcomes to you?

Please note that this is the first ever post on GreenExecutive. It's purpose was to welcome new members to the site and explain what they could do to contribute to the community. I really do not want to turn this thread into a debate about the merits of private verses collective ownership. Don't get me wrong. I understand the arguments and believe that in many situations, state or collective ownership is the best approach. However, I do not think that it is a practical path for GreenExecutive at this time and I hope that you can respect that decision.

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Adam Thyer, I think GreenExecutive is a wonderful idea! There are numerous obstacles to overcome - eg. technical, political, social - and we will make better progress if we work collaboratively.

I have already invited several colleagues and urge others to do the same.
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Thank you Adam for creating this space, I think it is long overdue! I will do my best to consciously comply with the ground rules, bring other relevant members in, and contribute in a useful manner. Everyone on this platform believes in sustainability and humanity's responsibility in protecting the biosphere, and that in itself is very inspiring. There are millions of others out there who believe the same, so let's bring them in!
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Nicely said Alan J Hesse. Welcome aboard!

I note that you create educational comics and graphic novels about the natural environment. I'm seeing growing numbers of creative people (eg. writers, film makers, photographers, artists) joining GreenExecutive and I think that's fantastic. I agree with my dear friend Ben Parsons that the arts can play an important role in communicating environmental issues. His blog post and forum post about the power of climate fiction were among our most popular to-date.
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Thanks Adam, yes, Ben Parson's post about the role of the arts resonates very deeply with me and I was sure to share that post widely! The ancients had it right: wisdom and knowledge were One, arts and science were embedded within that One, inseparable as two sides of the same coin. Today, wisdom does not necessarily have much to do with knowledge, and I find the trend is to compartmentalize, pigeon-hole not only areas of knowledge but also people. In my opinion this is in the mix when we look at sustainability problems. Get ready for some relevant posts from me soon!
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